From crystal at flack.ch Thu Aug 4 10:29:42 2005 From: crystal at flack.ch (Howard Flack) Date: Thu Aug 4 08:29:50 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Z'] Message-ID: <42F1C3E6.603@flack.ch> FYI to prove people are still interested in Z' H. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?M=E1ty=E1s_Czugler?= Dr." Subject: Z' Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:17:59 +0000 Size: 2740 Url: http://scripts.iucr.org/pipermail/corecifchem/attachments/20050804/ac751387/attachment.eml -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Howard Flack Subject: Re: Z' Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:26:38 +0200 Size: 917 Url: http://scripts.iucr.org/pipermail/corecifchem/attachments/20050804/ac751387/attachment-0001.eml From spea at chem.uu.nl Thu Aug 4 14:24:24 2005 From: spea at chem.uu.nl (a.l.spek) Date: Thu Aug 4 12:31:00 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Z'] In-Reply-To: <42F1C3E6.603@flack.ch> from "Howard Flack" at Aug 4, 5 09:29:42 am Message-ID: <20050804112424.F06C7DF0@platon.chem.uu.nl> Howard, I guess that nature is too complicated in this respect tot cover 100%. Ton See you in Florence > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --Boundary_(ID_VQBDeMpp1OGo/8eEWBfVLg) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > FYI to prove people are still interested in Z' > H. > > --Boundary_(ID_VQBDeMpp1OGo/8eEWBfVLg) > Content-type: message/rfc822; name=Z' > > Return-path: > Received: from mc1.unige.ch (mc1.unige.ch [129.194.9.206]) > by mbx.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31144) > with ESMTP id <0IKL00JI8PAIA0@mbx.unige.ch> for > flack@mail.cryst.unige.ch; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:20:42 +0200 (MEST) > Received: by stage2 with id 1DzyUN-0002H3-9b for ; > Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:15:31 +0200 > Received: from romeo.unige.ch ([129.194.9.228]) by mailcleaner stage 1 with > esmtp with id 1DzyUM-0002G6-1n for from > ; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:15:30 +0200 > Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.romeo.unige.ch by romeo.unige.ch > (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) id <0IKL00E01P1T6Y@romeo.unige.ch> for > flack@mail.cryst.unige.ch (ORCPT Howard.Flack@cryst.unige.ch); Tue, > 02 Aug 2005 17:15:29 +0200 (MEST) > Received: from cric.chemres.hu (cric.chemres.hu [193.224.146.132]) > by romeo.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-1x9 #31144) > with ESMTP id <0IKL00C7VP1SQI@romeo.unige.ch> for > flack@mail.cryst.unige.ch (ORCPT Howard.Flack@cryst.unige.ch); > Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:15:28 +0200 (MEST) > Received: from mczx ([193.224.146.92]) by cric.chemres.hu (8.10.0/8.10.0) > with ESMTP id j72FFSN30110 for ; Tue, > 02 Aug 2005 17:15:28 +0200 > Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:17:59 +0000 > From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?M=E1ty=E1s_Czugler?= Dr." > Subject: Z' > To: Howard Flack > Reply-to: czugler@chemres.hu > Message-id: <200508021717.59627.czugler@chemres.hu> > Organization: CRC SCI (Struct.Chem.Inst.) > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Content-disposition: inline > User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 > X-Envelope-from: czugler@chemres.hu > X-MailCleaner-Information: Please contact support@mailcleaner.net for more > information > X-MailCleaner: Found to be clean > X-MailCleaner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.599, > requis 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) > X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by romeo.unige.ch. > > Dear Howard, > a good time has elapsed as we last talked to each other. Maybe this Florence > meeting will give another chance. > But now I am after a handy Z' definition ... as I am dwelling on this subject > and can no longer find a very plausible defintion once I had at adebate on a > CCDC page. > I am a sort of lazy thus I looked up the IUCr webpages and found some > correspondence of you with David Drown. No further information as to what > became of these exchanges between you and David. > > My questions then: > Did DMG has finally settled a definition for Z'? > Have you ever considered introducing a Z'' term? (as put forward some two > years ago by Jon Steed) > > With best wishes, > Matyas > > > --Boundary_(ID_VQBDeMpp1OGo/8eEWBfVLg) > Content-type: message/rfc822; name="Re: Z'" > > Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:26:38 +0200 > From: Howard Flack > Subject: Re: Z' > In-reply-to: <200508021717.59627.czugler@chemres.hu> > To: czugler@chemres.hu > Message-id: <42F1C32E.9080806@flack.ch> > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > X-Accept-Language: en-us, en > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) > Gecko/20050716 > References: <200508021717.59627.czugler@chemres.hu> > > Matyas, > > The discussions within a small group of people working to include > chemical (i.e. molecular) information inside a CIF turned out to be far > more difficult than one could have imagined. Z' is part of that effort. > Some of the problems were chemical or crystal-chemical and some are > syntactical. So there is still no decent official definition available. > > See you in Firenzi, > H. > > > > --Boundary_(ID_VQBDeMpp1OGo/8eEWBfVLg) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > coreCIFchem mailing list > coreCIFchem@iucr.org > http://scripts.iucr.org/mailman/listinfo/corecifchem > > --Boundary_(ID_VQBDeMpp1OGo/8eEWBfVLg)-- > -- #=========================================================================== # Prof. Dr. A.L.Spek, Laboratory of Crystal and Structural Chemistry # # Bijvoet Center for Biomolecular Research, Utrecht University. # # (Kruytgebouw, room N801), Padualaan 8, 3584 CH Utrecht, The Netherlands. # # E-mail: a.l.spek@chem.uu.nl http://www.cryst.chem.uu.nl/ # # http://www.cryst.chem.uu.nl/platon/ # # anonymous ftp: xraysoft.chem.uu.nl # # FAX : (31)-30-2533940 PHONE : (31)-30-2532538/2533/3902/3502 # #=========================================================================== From idbrown at mcmaster.ca Thu Aug 4 11:09:56 2005 From: idbrown at mcmaster.ca (David Brown) Date: Thu Aug 4 15:09:58 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Z'] In-Reply-To: <42F1C3E6.603@flack.ch> References: <42F1C3E6.603@flack.ch> Message-ID: <42F221B4.8010803@mcmaster.ca> Howard, I have no doubt that lots of people are interested in Z' - now if only we knew what Z' actually was..... 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